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Doctrines of Demons: The Coming of the Glory

This eleven-part series by Tricia Tillin is an urgent appeal to reject current teachings on the overshadowing and anointing of the supposed Glory of God in the endtimes. It looks at teachings from the old Latter Rain movement and shows how those teachings and many others have led to a belief that there will be a sealing or anointing for those who have prepared themselves for transformation.

The topics of the ten major sections, together with the appendix, and PDF version for download, are found on the CONTENTS page. Alternatively, each section is briefly linked below:

Part One - The Sealing & Overshadowing
Part Two - The Sealing & Overshadowing (2)
Part TwoA - Resisting the Overshadowing
Part Three - The Descent of the Glory
Part Four - Transformation
Part Five - The Sword of Judgement
Part Six - New Church, New Apostles
Part Seven - The Sound of Seduction
Part Eight - The Global Network
Part Nine - The Lighthouses Movement
Part Ten - Appendix A
Part Eleven - Appendix B

Part Five: The Sword of Judgement


  • Introduction
  • Judgement begins at the House of God
  • The Old Order is the Enemy
  • Its - Either/Or!
  • Traditional ways must go
  • Transition to the Third Day Church
  • A New Covenant - Revelation not Words
  • Killing the Dragon
  • (copyright information)

Introduction: A Word of Warning

Please do not think of this study as some dry, dusty piece of theological scholarship with no relevance for you today! That is about as far from the facts as you could go! These men and women have their spiritual guns aimed at YOU and at ME - for we are the rebels, WE ARE THE ANTICHRIST in their eyes! We deserve nothing but to die at their hands, and they have a divine commission to do away with us, for we are standing in their way. (I hope to prove this to you, using their own quotes.)

They are setting up, even right now, today, a governmental structure that they plan to impose not only upon the churches, but the entire world in time. If you do not obey your elders, you are OUT. You are a dangerous, rebellious, old-order pharisee, fit only for the dungheap.

Not only that, but the hardcore leadership of this movement is, I believe, now empowered by fallen spiritual forces so powerful that - if we did not know God - we should tremble!

We cannot take this lightly, brothers and sisters. We cannot pass this off as scare tactics or mindless prophetic drivel, much though we might be tempted to do so. They are deadly serious, and they have the backing of satan AND (according to the scriptures) GOD HIMSELF - for God will withdraw his restraints and give the saints into their hands for a season. God must test their resolve. He must see what is in their hearts, and He must see who will absent themselves from this plan before it goes too far. [Some may repent, and God is merciful!].

Judgement Begins at the House of God

The revivalists believe that God is going to "judge" all those who are now opposing the revival, and remove them out of the way.

Bob Jones in his 1998 message given in Hamilton, Ontario said "For I do say, get ready for a new canopy (covering), it's in Isaiah 4:4-6, for I'm getting ready to purge the church with fire and to destroy the filthiness of Zion in an awesome way." Many others say the same thing:

"Have I not said 'judgment' begins with the house of God?... and what is judgment? It is the prophetic proclamation of the righteous decree of the purpose of advancing the Kingdom of God, it is the judicial decree of the Righteous Judge bringing the Kingdom to bear in the earth. THIS is the judgment that begins with the 'house' of God... and do I dwell in temples made with hands?... NO, for YOU are My temple, My 'house'! As this judgment is brought to bear in My 'house' and My Kingdom authority is operating within you, THEN My Kingdom is brought to bear upon the kingdoms of this world. I AM forming a spotless, holy people, a 'temple' from which to reign as the kingdoms of this world become the Kingdom of the Lord and His Christ.

As I bring this judgment within My 'house', indeed the 'man of sin' is revealed that Christ may appear, for as long as the wheat and the tares are together, the FULLNESS of the Christ is concealed. Is not the 'man of sin' (that which has mixed allegiances, a kingdom divided against itself, a form of Godliness but denying the authority thereof by regarding iniquity in the heart) even NOW sitting in the 'temple' (know ye not that your body is the 'temple') and proclaiming he is sovereign?

Know that as the SEPARATION is coming forth, Christ is being revealed in His 'temple'- His chosen, and Christ shall slay the 'man of sin' in the 'temple' in prophetic proclamation - the breath of His lips, and all shall be gathered together in ONE in CHRIST, for it is the restitution of all things." [DOUG FORTUNE: Trumpet Call. Apostolic/Prophetic Bulletin KINGDOM AUTHORITY! Aug 15, 1999]

This statement above is a good example of the sonship/LR/revival doctrines. The judgement is brought to bear BY the elected Remnant (the chosen temple) AGAINST those who oppose the forward march of their earthly "kingdom" and it identifies the MAN OF SIN (Antichrist) as those who do not conform to their doctrines, those having "mixed allegiances" and not having received the new revelations and the new spirit of the revival movement! The "christ" - actually the Corporate Christ - will SLAY this man of sin! It could not be more clear.

Bill Burns of Faith Tabernacle put it this way:

"I, the Lord, have risen up out of My holy habitation. No longer will I sit still in the heavenlies, for it is time for My warriors to arise. ..Let the edge [of the sword] be set against every unholy alliance that has come against My word and against the presence of My power and against My purpose. In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and under His banner you shall go forth. His banner is the banner of blood. I call you to take the land; I call you to become the "cutters down" of every altar and every idol and every high place established throughout." [Prophecy by Bill Burns, Faith Tabernacles - July, 1999]

The Old Order is the Enemy

"I am about to do a NEW thing, not an old thing or even a rebuilt thing, but a NEW thing. I shall not add to an old thing or even remake one to look new. There is great sadness in Me for there are only a few that will hear this and receive it.
As my glory settles upon the land, those that are religious shall not receive me. They shall not accept what I do as it shall expose the error of their ways. The church that is stagnant shall die. The church that is dead shall decay. Words in Due Season: (Sponsored by: Faith Tabernacle of Kremmling CO.) By William Hawkins: August 27th, 1999.

For another, even more explicit, statement of the coming judgement on rebels, see "Glory or Terror?" from "A Trumpet Call" apostolic site. He heads the "prophecy" with a statement that it is NOT speaking of the actual physical return of Jesus Christ, yet the word goes on to predict the soon coming of the "Holy Warrior clad with zeal and vengeance" who "shall avenge the blood of the innocent" and "there shall be a great outpouring of wrath upon those who have rebelled against me"... and more. Remember, this is NOT speaking of the physical Second Coming!

Steve Hill, of Brownsville, makes similar statements in a message given in January 1998. He says that there's something big on the horizon and the day of the Lord's returning is near (that is, as we now know, the revealing of "Christ" in his BODY.) He then warns the sceptics, the religious ones to FEAR what is about to happen, for God says:

"the violent will be overcome by the violent, my Spirit's wooing is about to cease. No one will grieve me any more. No one will quench my spirit any more. No one will resist me anymore. Their days are OVER. Let them know, the warm season of grace and mercy will soon be turned to a chilling winter of judgement and wrath; the warm days of my wooing will be exchanged for the fiery days of my vengeance..."


It is taught that those in the churches who have not "moved on" from the ordinary pentecostal experience to the "new thing" of the revival will not only be left behind when the glory comes, but will find themselves robbed of their former ministry and exiled to the "outer court" of the temple at that time:

"All those who do not go through the vail have to go to the outer court. Today many have been enjoying the grace of God, and operating in the supernatural realm of the Spirit in one degree or another. But we see a transition taking place. Either they are going on to higher heights in the Spirit, moving behind the vail toward the Holy of Holies, or they are losing what they did have.
Pentecostal churches are going back to the formality and respectability of the traditional denominations. You see it everywhere. I know there are exceptions, and thank God for them. But you will have to choose. Either IN or OUT.
This "part" realm is passing away. Either move on to the fulness of the Spirit, behind the vail, or you will find yourself without the gifts and the supernatural working of the Spirit as in days gone by. ... those who have retreated to the outer court will not be among that "Zadok" company mentioned in Ezekiel chapter 44 who minister in the Holy of Holies unto the Lord." [Bill Britton - Light Out of Shadows, Chap 2]

And from the tape on 'Joel's Army' by Jack Deere:

"When this army comes...everybody will either submit to the proclamations of the sons of God and submit to the son of God, or they will harden their hearts and resist it, and when they get through, it will truly be a burnt over field. It will truly be a burnt over field of God's judgement with either submission or rebellion now made apparent to everyone. Nothing will escape them....
When this army prays, the earth is going to tremble. When this army prays, the earth is going to open up and swallow its adversaries....the people are going to fall down. People are going to shake and tremble and quake under the power of this army that is coming - people like Saul, carnal Christians, people that are hostile, like that army that came to get Jesus in John 18 - those 600 soldiers fell on their faces when he stepped out of those shadows and said "I am HE".

And from a more recent message by a respected leader of the revival, Bobby Conner:

"The definition of the word revolution is "an overthrow of a corrupt government." We are not talking about the White House here; we are talking about the church house. God is going to take the government of the church out of the hands of man and put it back into the hands of the Son of God. [As it appears from other quotes in this article, he must mean the Corporate Christ!] ...There is no more of this comfortable and complacent Christianity. That’s over with. Jesus Christ said it this way: "You are either for me or you are against me. You are either gathering in or you are scattering abroad." This fence sitting, fence straddling is over with. We are either for Him or we are against Him. We have got to become much more militant than we are. ["Revolution in the church" by Bobby Conner, from a video made at a meeting near Cincinnati, OH 5/29/99]

Traditional ways must go

"'A Prophetic Word': Stand up Church and shake off the dust. Release yourselves from the chains that keep you bound to tradition, rituals, rules and regulations."[Words in Due Season: (Sponsored by: Faith Tabernacle of Kremmling CO.)]

Over and over, the blame for delaying the coming of the kingdom of God, and causing the Church's supposed 'failure' in all areas is laid at the door of the "religious" who turn out to be those who hold to traditional values and doctrines.

One major leader of the revival, from the beginning, is Marc Dupont. In his article, "The Next Wave", he uses veiled threats of judgement on all who refuse to accept the new revelations. First he identifies what is hindering the revival's power - I sensed [the Lord] say: "This is  the condition of my Church. There is so much criticism, legalism, and  pharisaism in the Church that the Church needs to soak and soak in  my love and compassion."

He then compares and contrasts Saul and David and Solomon's Temple. These figures are often used in the revival to denote the old order and the new, David being the new king ordained by God. Dupont says that the Temple was "built as a place of worship and prayer, [but] over the years its purpose was diluted to ritual alone. It was no longer the home of real prayer and worship.  Israel had rejected the time of their visitation, and had previously killed prophets in the name of preserving outward religious respectability and tradition. Jesus, therefore, brought judgment against the people, and the monument was demolished some 70 years later. The Lord impressed upon me quite clearly, that this is also happening now."

He continues:

"The winds of the Spirit are blowing and many people are coming into great freedom. But judgment will come to  leaders who have been fighting the Holy Spirit in order to maintain  outward respectability...
But God is going to choose His army and invest it with authority. Authority will be removed from those who are trying to  preserve tradition and hang on to outward religious respectability and be given to those who seek Him with abandonment.
God's authority will come upon the Church in a greater and more visible way. While judgment will come for some, promotion will come for others. Rosh Hashanah, therefore, represents not only a celebration of great joy, but also a change in the governing authority to man from God... The exciting news is that this unveiling of authority and outpouring of  increased anointing is no longer for a Christian elite of select leaders. It is for the whole Church.
Unfortunately, rather than recognizing the present time as a chosen time of God's visitation, many continue with "business as usual." The danger, of  course, is that we can miss the time of our visitation like the Israelites did, and find ourselves under judgment. While this outpouring is wonderful, it nevertheless has deeply serious implications."

In some circles these religious types are not just an irritation, but are the Man of Sin himself. The planned purging is not designed to root out the many charlatans, frauds, cheats, adulterers, liars and abusive leaders who really do savage the flocks, but the humble little Joe in the pew and the minister minding his own business who happens to oppose the Toronto Blessing and the laughing revival! THIS is the so-called enemy of the Glory, and he must GO.

Standing on the written word of God is almost a crime in the revival, and marks you out as an old-order Christian. This must be explained, as there are those who see the antagonism as inexplicable and therefore unbelievable. The truth is that the doctrine underpinning the revival is that of the mystical and dominionist cults who have always believed that the kingdom must be brought to earth by believers through spiritual transformation.

Transition to the Third Day Church

As I explained in my other article on this subject, "The New Thing", one forerunner of the sonship/latter-rain teachers was the mystic Joachin of Fiore who taught that history consisted of a certain number of allegorical "days":

  1. First the Day of the Father in which the Old Testament Law prevailed - this was the Day of the Flesh-Realm;

  2. Secondly, the Day of the Son, a period of Grace in which New Testament salvation prevailed - this was the realm of the Soul and Mind;

  3. Thirdly, the "third-day" would arrive in which the Church (or, a certain number of enlightened ones) would enter into a SPIRITUAL realm. In this day, the emphasis shifted off the written word of God into direct, spiritual revelation given to each man by God. Salvation would be a direct and personal power-encounter with God, not a matter of mental reasoning and intelligent understanding.

Furthermore, in each era, there would be an "overlap" in which the old order was still in existence but was passing away, and in which the old-order followers clung on to their old ways and resisted change. But always the new age would dawn and the survivors would move on.

The period of changing over from the old order to the new order is called TRANSITION.

The Chuck Pierce newsletter for April 17th, 1999 carried an article about the Third Day Church in which he stated:

"I believe Exodus 19 is a "now" word for the Body of Christ. . . .Then the Lord said, "Go to the people and consecrate them today and tomorrow, and let them wash their clothes, and let them be ready for the third day . . . Be ready for the THIRD DAY" I believe we have entered into the "third day" historical season of the Church." [Apostle Chuck Pierce's newsletters Apr 1999 Glory of Zion Ministries Denton, Texas.]

Earlier this year, Chuck Pierce spoke about the Third Day Church and prophesied that this transition would be complete by October 1999. Whatever view we take on such time-setting prophecies, it is none the less interesting that their time scale is so immediate. Are we now living in the days when the old religious traditions that have been in place for nearly 2000 years are to be overthrown by a spiritually-driven new leadership whose means of communication with God and the flock is revelation knowledge, visions, dreams and prophecies?

Pierce was addressing the meeting "National School of the Prophets: Mobilizing the Prophetic Office for the Next Century" held January 28 -30, 1999 at Colorado Springs, Colorado. Speakers included: C. Peter Wagner, Paul Cain, Chuck Pierce, Cindy Jacobs, Bill Hamon, Dutch Sheets, Rick Joyner, Kingsley Fletcher, Mike Bickle, Jim Laffoon, Barbara Wentroble and Ted Haggard. At the same meeting, Barbara Wentroble, spoke about the dying of the old ways:

"The Sons of God are led by the Spirit of God! ... This is a Season of Separation -- those things that were treasures in the last move are junk in the new move, and vice versa.---We are the People of the Third Day. ... The Jordan speaks of death -- the Apostolic is holding water aside for God's people to cross over the river. Many things are dying -- old ways, practices, etc."

From the above it can plainly be seen that holding to the written word of God, to the old church traditions and ways of worship, and even to the "old" gospel covenant (!! an issue I will address shortly) mark out a Christian today as belonging to the day of the Mind and Soul, rather than the Spirit, and it is expected that such a person will resist or even violently oppose the coming of the Age of the Spirit, the Third-Day.

To confirm my findings, visit one of the "Third Day Church" sites - "Third-Day Churches".

Using another analogy, Gwen from the "Christ Temple" site likens the legalistic old ways to Mount Sinai where the OT law was given, and the new dimension in the spirit as Mount Zion where believers are perfected and spiritually transformed in the New Jerusalem with a new covenant. (Heb 12:18-24) (Particularly note that "new covenant", again).

"The Bible uses "types" and "shadows" as examples for God's children, and God uses these places (Mt. Sinai and Mt. Zion) to give an apt description of what He desires. Mt. Sinai represents legalism and tradition, fear and bondage. God is calling us out of this place. He is calling us to go up to Mt. Zion, which represents a new covenant, a new dimension (especially in praise and worship), and a priesthood of believers! ["Christ Temple" - "Restoring God's Glory"!]

A New Covenant - Revelation, not Words

It would be logical, since each of the previous historical "days" of the system was governed by a covenant with God (The first Day was the OT covenant of Law, the second was the NT covenant of Grace) that third day should also to be governed by a covenant.

This thought, abhorrent as it may seem, is found in a number of prophecies and messages around the Internet sites. Just as the Old Covenant gave way to and was superseded by the New Covenant of Jesus, so they say another and better covenant will be brought in by the latter-day God-Man, the Saviour of the world!

Bob Jones, in his "Shepherd's Rod for 1999" teaches that the "truth" is the revelation/rhema-word that will be given to the apostles. It is the apostles who have the task of re-educating the believers:

"In previous years we have mentioned the preparation and emergence of the inspired priesthood to provide the Rhema word of God for this season. That order is now coming to a place of maturity and will begin to encounter the Lord in the pillar of cloud receiving the true revelation of the Word and its application for this generation. The inspired priests will provide a sanctifying Light that will prepare the body in righteousness. Like apples of gold in settings of silver is a word spoken in right circumstances. There is coming the revelation of God's Truth and His Word to such a degree that the whole world will take notice as the Lord's priests present the Spoken Word in due season."

One man who teaches extensively about the new church government is Bob Nevels aka Bar Jona at his site which is crammed with eye-opening literature from the apostles and prophets. (Those affiliated with this ministry include Andrew Strom and Tommy Thompson - whose comments on the spirit of Elijah I have previously mentioned.)

In a number of commentaries on scriptures, he outlines the new covenant and what it means:

"These three verses, plus several ancillaries, show more detail of the transition. First is shown God doing away with the old covenant and the fellowship of the institutional church. Zec. 11:7 is a view of the very end times, just before the trumpet judgments. This is the time when the Lord Jesus breaks the fellowship and the old covenant to which the institutional church has subscribed...
The man-child is caught up to heaven, just as was Paul (2 Cor. 12:2). That is, the operational sphere for the man-child is heaven. The sun-clothed woman is an overcoming church, characterized by a perfect government of teachers, standing on the new covenant.
These spiritual ministers shall operate under the New Covenant. That is, they shall not just have head knowledge of God’s laws, but shall have the deepest kind of heart understanding thereof. This heart understanding, which comes only to the converted, shall govern everything these spiritual overcoming ministers do."

NOTE - here he is telling us what the new covenant consists of: spiritual revelation rather than "head knowledge".

Bar Jona continues:

" A key issue within the three-church context is the way judgment is applied by the church fathers. It must be based, not on institutional doctrine, but on real-time rhema-word hearing of Jesus. It must be from the specific to the general, rather than vice-versa."

This contradicts conventional Church practice, and sets the whole issue of bible interpretation on its head.

Up to now, general commands and statements in the word of God have been interpreted to deal with specific matters and issues, yet here the reverse is commanded. It is suggested that specific prophecies or revelations (personal prophecies, perhaps, or visions) must be applied to general conditions within the church. In other words, single revelations from single individuals will govern doctrine for the whole church!

Taken to extremes, this impels the new-order followers to condemn and damn all those who keep to the old covenant and the traditional gospel. See the following. The article begins with a scripture quote of the glory cloud in the temple.

"And the Most High shall be revealed upon the seat of judgment .... but ONLY JUDGMENT SHALL REMAIN .... Those of you still piddling around with "worm-filled" manna are out of time and season with God and the Court, Ecclesiastes 3:1,6, Acts 1:7. There was a time when the gospel of repentance replaced the Law of Moses and the Old Testament practices. Now the JUDGE-MENT (thoughts) has replaced the gospel of repentance and New Testament practices and traditions. ONLY THE GLORY OF GOD .... THE WORD (THOUGHTS) OF THE SUPREME JUDGE ... REMAINS! No man's words, theories, doctrines and exercise of past traditions can enter in the "GLORY" and have value because of the AUTHORITY OF THE JUDGE IN OUR COURT. [his emphasis in capitals. From "The Glory of the Judge." )

The revelation knowledge is referred to by sonship disciples as "truth" and those who do not move in their circles and oppose such revelations of new doctrines are "suppressing the truth". That is why they "must be destroyed".

"John the Baptist knew of the coming day of judgment, but the Pharisees and Sadducees knew nothing of it....Disobedience, ungodliness, unrighteousness, and hypocrisy all usually entail the suppression of truth. [Riss then outlines the judgement that will fall upon disobedience]...However, we must not depend upon our past experience of deliverance from disobedience to save us from the wrath to come. [Richard Riss in "Preparing For The Coming of Christ"]

Riss makes it clear that just "being saved" will not protect anyone from coming under the wrath of God
in the endtimes and being judged and destroyed along with the wicked.

Riss reasons that the disobedience that impels God to destroy the wicked has to do with "the suppression of truth" - therefore it is those modern-day "pharisees" who come under judgement, whether saved or not! Many times throughout his article he explains that knowing God and being saved are not enough to deliver a Christian from the wrath to come, but it is necessary to fall into line with the new revelations and the emerging new order to be spared!

"The golden oil is about to flow, and the first manifestation of the Sons of His Glory is going to be candlestick light which is revelation knowledge. --- I will prophesy to you, "1999 will be known as the Year of His Justice." His justice will bring both blessings and curses.... Blessings will go forth for the obedient and curses for the disobedient in dramatic ways. There is going to come a mighty impartation of Christ's authority to the Sons of Glory who will demonstrate the power of His kingdom with awesome signs and wonders following. I am already witnessing a new boldness in His servants, but before the fullness of His authority is demonstrated by the Sons of Glory, revelation knowledge will come forth like a mighty rushing river." [Bill Burns, Faith Tabernacle]

It seems clear, then, that this "new covenant" for the third age has to do with revelation knowledge, rather than the written word of God. The "religious spirit" despised by so many revival groups is none other than the one operating in those who still cling to the traditional doctrine of the scriptures, and apply intellectual reasoning, debate, reason and mindful examination of those scriptures.

Bob Jones, helped by his scribe Keith Davis, clearly condemns such mental applications as part of the dying old order, and he identifies it as the "abomination of desolation" in the Temple of God:

"The religious spirit directs the people to sanctify themselves but only in their minds ministering to them the "flesh of swine" and "mice". These two Biblically unclean animals represent unsanctified nourishment presented to the people through the soul of man rather than the Holy Spirit. These could depict intellectual comprehension and opinions of the Scriptures apart from the divine revelation released through the Spirit of Truth. This is abominable in the sight of the Lord...
The abomination of desolation described in Daniel 11:31 & Matthew 24:15 foretells the operation of this spirit sustaining the people from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. We are the Temple of God and must be sanctified in Truth. The Lord described it as vain worship to honor Him with our lips, yet removing our hearts far from Him teaching for doctrine the precepts of men. The religious spirit introduces into the Church the spirit of the world nullifying the Grace of God. The views of Truth necessary to purify the church are not such as the world gives, but are such as are communicated by the Spirit of God." ["The Religious Spirit" by Bob Jones and Keith Davis.]

Killing the Dragon

Another "prophet" speaks of opponents as "the beast system" of Revelation:

"The infrastructure of revival must be built in this country, before gross darkness falls. From that infrastructure, the remnant of Kingdom believers will make war with the Beast system that seeks to destroy us lest we emerge in power. We will walk in supernatural power and vision that will confound our accusers. We will plunder the enemies camp. Will we demonstrate the powers of the age to come." ["Who am I?" [Nov. 13, 1998]

This immediately raises the question of who or what is the "beast system". The Bible talks about the reign of the beasts of Revelation as being the most evil powers ever to walk the earth. These beast individuals and empires are destroyed by the breath of the Lord at His coming. However, the sonship/revival devotees have a very different conception of the beast system.

Stated simply, they believe they are "of the Spirit" and their religious opponents are "walking in the flesh, not the Spirit". Since the flesh-realm and mental reasoning is mere "animal life" as opposed to "spiritual life" they see those who do not join them in their spiritual high-jinks as being "of the beast-nature". Thus, by one huge leap in deduction, they portray their opponents as The Beast of Revelation!

Having been identified as the "man of sin", the "beast system" and the "abomination of desolation", we - and all like us who do not subscribe to these doctrines - are marked for judgement!

If we are (even though Christians - see Richard Riss) part of the antichrist rebellion, then it is obvious that there are "no holds barred" in destroying us! No amount of suffering should be spared, since people like us oppose the New Order and deserve only to be turned out of the church, put to flight and even killed. As we have seen, the day of mercy has turned into the day of judgement - there is no longer a covenant of grace, but now a merciless purging of all that hinders the setting up of the kingdom across the entire earth.

If you do not submit to this, you are doomed. Be warned! Are you ready to stand up for your faith, and for Jesus Christ the Saviour, and to "contend earnestly" for the scriptural doctrines delivered ONCE (and not at any subsequent time) to the saints of God's Church. (Jude 1:3)

How will they justify killing us? Can they really be planning to do so? YES! Here is one quote that argues for such a thing. It comes from a woman in the revival called Jeannie Withrow, a worship leader and member of the prophetic music group "Number 8".. She shares "A few things the Lord has been showing me about the Sons of Thunder prophesy as given to James Ryle." She links the biblical Sons of Thunder, James and John, with the modern-day overcomers who are full of zeal for the Lord's ways. In Luke 9:51-56, the Sons of Thunder offer to call down fire from heaven on those who reject Jesus. Jesus, however, rebukes James and John and says "You do not know what manner of spirit you are of. For the Son of Man did not come to destroy men's lives but to save them."

However, today, she argues, the modern-day Sons of Thunder DO know "what spirit they are of" because they have the "new revelation" of the revival, and are therefore ready to call down fire to kill the enemies of Jesus!

"The new Sons of Thunder will know 'what manner of spirit' they are of, because they have the Holy Spirit. God is also pouring out a new anointing and revelation through the Holy Spirit for the end times harvest. Along with this will come miracles (evidence of God's power) and greater understanding. Whenever there has been an outpouring of the Holy Spirit it is always accompanied by greater revelation and this is the understanding of 'what manner of spirit' we are of. John and James wanted to call down fire from Heaven to consume the Samaritans and, we presume, to kill them. The new Sons of Thunder will actually call down fire from Heaven in the form of the 'Consuming Fire' manifestation of God, and it will in fact cost the lives of some."

The doctrines of this new move are playing right into the hands of our pagan and secular foes, who have for years wanted to get rid of all true Christians. The New Age has been planning an "earth cleansing" for many years, but now we see huge sections of the Church also nodding in agreement! Here is a statement found on a gnostic site. In an identical way to the sonship/LR believers, it speaks of the woman giving birth to a divine Manchild who is to rule with a rod of iron. It, too, identifies the opponents of this divine "child" -

"The Divine Woman, a central figure of Revelations, is the Comforter Herself. The crown of stars indicates that Her authority and heritage is of the Divine Father, the moon, upon which She resides is another symbol of the feminine. As the Divine Mother She is giving birth, ie. self-realisation, and succeeds in producing a man-child. A man, indicating spiritual maturity and dynamic action, and yet a child symbolising purity of heart and that quality of innocence which Christ taught was essential to enter into the state of Heavenly Experience.
The child, having the mystic awareness of self-realisation, rules over the nations indicating command of the earthly plane as well as over the inner country, the chakra system. The child of the Divine mother is a Gnostic adept! He rules with an iron rod, the kundalini, which mercilessly slays the forces of evil, the obstacles which obstruct her flow through the chakra system. The dragon who stands over the Woman as She labours waiting to devour the child could well be the Churches. Their 2000 year vigil against the Divine Feminine lest she produce a race of Gnostics is evident in their manipulation and suppression of the scriptures. [They mean the 'gnostic gospels', not the genuine scriptures.] Revelations tells us that the Divine Children are destined to overcome the beast and establish a New Age of divine awareness." [From a Gnostic site "Knowledge of Reality"]

Need I point out here that we see the VERY SAME doctrines of demons permeating both the new-age, the pagan and the religious worlds, including many churches! See above the references to the Manchild and his rule over the nations, his merciless opposition to anything that hinders the 'flow of kundalini power', the revelation knowledge (new awareness) that characterisies this corporate child, and the identification of his enemy - the (true) churches who oppose these teachings!

These are identical teachings, and once again we are reminded of our central text that says in the last days some shall turn away from the truth and give themselves over to the "doctrine of demons". I don't believe we need look much further than the above quote for proof of this condition in the church today!

(This study continues in the next section)



(c) Tricia Tillin 2001

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